I was just wondering, if filemaker's business is run, for a significant chunk, on the filemaker platforms.
Do they have in house Filemaker devs to built their tools.
I'm not talking about templates or example files
From what I have observed directly, and from conversations with some that work there, yes.
This has been asked (and answered by FMI people). So, the answer is YES! FileMaker, Inc. (and Apple) have IN-HOUSE developers that create/use FileMaker databases. They are used by others in-house that are not developers, as well.
In addition to those hired from "elsewhere", some employees/contractors were FileMaker users/developers as independents and/or in-house at other companies. Some former FMI/Apple employees now work elsewhere using FileMaker.
I personally know most of them.
Hi, I was just wondering, if filemaker's business is run, for a significant chunk, on the filemaker platforms.Do they have in house Filemaker devs to built their tools. I'm not talking about templates or example files Thanks
I was just wondering, if filemaker's business is run, for a significant chunk, on the filemaker platforms.
Without going into any details...
...we use it internally for a TON of different things. We do have a small internal development team but plenty of others (me included) make solutions as well when necessary.
Great, and are you required to use the latest shipping version only, if not the next ?
I believe it is SAP that Apple uses and FileMaker employees use it too for their enterprise applications such as invoicing. But FMI uses its own product for smaller projects and they connect SAP data to FileMaker solutions. FileMaker is not capable of handling solutions for all of the Apple employees and is not their enterprise solution. Since I consider accounting as what you mean by what they run on, then the answer is no, it is not FileMaker. But they use FileMaker to make reports from SAP for accounting as well as completely independent solutions for other purposes. You will not see a forward facing FileMaker software solution from FileMaker because Apple will not let them do that for security reasons supposedly. So customers cannot use FileMaker Pro, WebDirect or Go to connect to a FMI database for business purposes that involve customer data.
I get emails from FileMaker sent via FileMaker plugins...
And FileMaker Inc. uses also our plugin as far as I know.
Wow! Integrating SAP and FileMaker, who would have "thunk" it?
One of the best features of FMP/S/G/... is the ability to work with many other dbs, systems. I've been using FM for bridging systems which otherwise could not communicate with each other for decades.
very good question - it would help the quality of the product a lot if they would rely on it!
FileKraft wrote: very good question - it would help the quality of the product a lot if they would rely on it!
Obviously a good point. And if they don't, then that should be a clear indication to their customers that they do not believe in their own product. One thing to keep in mind is that you still should use the best tool for the job and there are IT jobs where FM is to the best tool even though it could be used. FM is not the right accounting tool for an enterprise solution the size of Apple. If it was just FMI's accounting business, then it could be done on FM just fine because they only have about 200-300 employees.
Now, for the bone that I have to pick on FMI staff and FM software... many of the FMI staff use Excel Spreadsheets when FM would be a better tool. This gets a bit annoying to me. Granted Spreadsheets and databases are different tools and there is a place for each one. But I cringe when I have been giving reports from FM staff in Excel for which there was no reason for it not to be in a FM database. It indicates to me that their go-to software for in-house work is Excel and not FileMaker and that just is embarrassing. This is especially true in Mr. Freitag's marketing and sales department.
Interestingly, I have found that the most recent version of the Reseller Price list which can be downloaded here:
Reseller Pricing | FileMaker
... is now a FileMaker file, whereas when I looked here a few months ago (Pre-v16) it was in Excel format. It's a useful resource :-)
Hooray for the Sales and Marketing Department!!!!!! Thanks for sharing, skywillmott.
Well, the proof is in the (apple) pudding !
> But I cringe when I have been giving reports from FM staff in Excel
Well, unfortunately, Filemaker is not a good sharing file format, while excel is pervasive
When I debuted in filemaker, I thought the runtime was for file sharing to non filemaker users (but didn't use it because it was complicated to generate just for that).
I always thought FMI missed a terrific opportunity to become more pervasive. They should have offered a FilemakerReader app for free, like acrobat did, they would have gained a lot of exposure.
I've just posted an idea about that :
Free FilemakerReader App, to make filemaker a sharing file format
Excel is one of the most common data sharing file formats available.
When I had to use MS Access in a previous job, I regularly exported data from Access to Excel in order to make it available to others that might not have Access. Even if they did, I often used Excel as it was a very easy way to both make the data available and at the same time something that the recipient could easily manipulate as needed.
Good idea ! I just voted and added a comment.
Yes! There are other Apps that can read/open Excel if you don't have it on your system. It also makes sense to send out files that can be read to those who have not yet purchased FileMaker (or don't want to download a trial) to read the information about the information.
Vincent_L wrote: > But I cringe when I have been giving reports from FM staff in Excel Well, unfortunately, Filemaker is not a good sharing file format, while excel is pervasive When I debuted in filemaker, I thought the runtime was for file sharing to non filemaker users (but didn't use it because it was complicated to generate just for that). I always thought FMI missed a terrific opportunity to become more pervasive. They should have offered a FilemakerReader app for free, like acrobat did, they would have gained a lot of exposure. ---I've just posted an idea about that :Free FilemakerReader App, to make filemaker a sharing file format
It seems that what I think you mean by FMP12 not being a good file sharing format is that it is not supported by a program or tool that business people commonly have installed such as Excel. Then again, I'm finding more and more people do not have Excel and use things like Google Docs. The future for exchange data is neither XLSX or FMP12. I would argue that Excel is not a good exchange format and better formats are delimited (tab, comma), XML or JSON.
But when communicating with FileMaker professionals, they should not be promoting a competing software company's product. They should be proud of their product and only use other software company's products as an alternative.
The real problem is not the format. It is the staff, particularly the ones in Marketing and Sales, that have a propensity to not know how to use FileMaker in its most basic form. Certainly sales and marketing staff should not be expected to be technical and know FileMaker at a developer's level, but they should be able to create a new file and import/export data at least using table view layouts.
If you expect your sales staff to only sell products and not know how to use it, well, why even have staff? Just do a web page with cart system. Sales staff need to bring knowledge and personality to sales. If all they know how to do is say the product name, then they just aren't adding to the conversation.
Some advantages of FMP12 include retention of field formatting (CSS) among other things like security.
Lots of potential recipients would have no idea what to do with JSON or XML. On the other hand, XLSX is a file format that can be opened by a great many applications other than Excel. Numbers and Google Sheets come to mind.
Food for thoughts.
There is already a free application for opening .fmp12 files - it's called FileMaker Go.
But, leaving flippancy aside, it's also possible to share the data from FMP in a number of formats including Excel or other file formats, WebDirect and now the new Data API. So it may be that FileMaker feel they've got enough of the bases covered with what they already provide.
>There is already a free application for opening .fmp12 files - it's called FileMaker Go.
General people don't do productive work with iOS, aside from mobile needs / artist.
Redirect is awfully expensive, so you won't share to the world one of your few precious connection.
Most people works on desktop.
>The real problem is not the format. It is the staff,
I don't blame them at all because even if they'd only output filemaker files, their reach is very limited, it would make zero difference
But why they probably don't do it anyway is telling : it's because it's not pervasive (no free reader), and it's complicated anyways, much more than excel.
Table view is nice but awfully limited.
There's two way to gain revenue : milk the existing customers, or expand your customer numbers.
While I don't see real strive to the later, I see a lot of the former. To me it's a myopic strategy.
The best marketing is product quality, and word to mouth. My free reader idea would improve both.
just from my own microcosm - the best product marketing/ sales factor is quality of the product - which is data integrity & performance.
sadly i am currently not convinced about both and therefor reluctant to recommend strongly. the niche is tight and a free reader won't help. the current products features are nice if they work reliably.
And it's painful that if you want to move some data from Numbers to FileMaker or in the other direction, you almost cannot get the job done efficiently.
The CSV files and Excel files that are produced by Numbers have to be massaged first in a text editor like BBEdit if you don't want to run Excel before importing the data to FileMaker. And the reverse route isn't much better. Numbers won't parse a "tab" file and if you try to open it on your Mac, the default is TextEdit or something else (Console?).
You would think that a company that is now proud of its long-standing subsidiary would make their spreadsheet program capable of exporting structured data for import into FileMaker. Like, for example, the Merge format. Yes, I know that cells that span 2 or more columns can be an issue, but it can be easily dealt with in an error dialog. And that Excel summary page is another pothole that people stumble into.
More to the point, the people who designed Bento made it possible for that now-deceased application to open the Calendar and Contacts files as spreadsheets -- something that would be particularly handy in FileMaker. The excuse that it doesn't work on Windows is lame at this point. There was nothing better for editing the contacts and calendars data than Bento -- IMHO the one and only thing it excelled at (pardon the pun).
You would think that a company that is now proud of its long-standing subsidiary
Personally, I've never ever seen any indication that they were "proud" of FMI inc. So that's a new one on me.
But it all misses the point that I was trying to make, that XLSX is a nearly ubiquitous file format that can be opened by many different applications and thus has become a very common means of exchanging data--especially when sender and recipient do not have the same software on hand. I seriously doubt that FileMaker inc. is doing itself any "damage" by transmitting data in this file format any more than using PDF, CSV, tab...
Vincent_L: "There's two way to gain revenue : milk the existing customers, or expand your customer numbers.
While I don't see real strive to the latter, I see a lot of the former. To me it's a myopic strategy."
I agree wholeheartedly.
Sorry, but have to disagree. Positioning FileMaker as more capable on Mac than Windows, or vice-versa reduces the overall capability and appeal of the product.
Anyone who has designed a solution that relies on the integration with the operating system, or associated 'glue' will find out how fragile this becomes.
Using well established or current methods to exchange data leads to longer term stability.
Not that I would like to defend dburnham (I am not a lawyer !), some Mac users are frustrated because FM doesn't work with Numbers, which I believe is used by a lot of them. FMI is owned by Apple so they should support Apple products, etc.
I must say however that Excel does more things than Numbers (please, I am not starting a fight), and may be it's why only Excel is supported, and on top of that Excel is much more used than Numbers. But I understand Numbers is cheaper than Excel. By the way don't forget that Excel appeared first on the macs.
A war between Mac and Windows users would not be beneficial to FileMaker.
Not having number export import is terrible and myopic.
The simple fact to have an export menu in Numbers labelled "Export to filemaker" would instantly make a lot of people wonder what the heck is filemaker, and will offer much more market exposure.
Moreover, such an export function wouldn't take more than a day week to implement (and I'm already putting a x7 duration to what I think).
But ok, let's say Apple won't do a thing, so let's do a filemaker numbers import.
I see no problem of platform discrepancy. Just also put the import from numbers file in the window version.
That could even give numbers and the mac market exposure.
I am not sure, but I wonder if Excel has to be installed on Windows to import from.
Not if all you are going to do is import into fileMaker or open the file with some other application.
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