Get them while supplies last. Apple is out of the network market.
That's too bad, they've always been reliable and dead-easy to configure. Now I guess they're just dead.
I only ever used the TC. The other ones I had no use for. Easy to setup. Always worked.
The replacement will be more expensive. Mac Mini with macOS Server for TM backup management. Oh well.
Sadly, TM is being removed from the next MacOS Server release along with most of the other services. As a workaround, you'll be able to add users in System Preferences, share a volume for TimeMachine, then give those users access to it for TM. Not what I would call an elegant solution.
I did not think TM was in the deprecated list. I will have to visit it again.
I see. Time Machine Server moved into High Sierra sharing. I do not have anything on 10.13 yet to try it.
I did set up a test machine a few weeks back, testing to see what services made the leap. They report that if services are set up, they will continue - that was not my experience. Maybe they meant if you wait for the the next upgrade. Sierra running TM, Mail, Wiki, Web, OD, Users & Groups, If memory serves, only the Wiki survived upgrading to High Sierra and the new version of MacOS Server. What a loss. Now maybe some of those things will make it if the server stays at 10.12 and upgrades to 10.14, but the writing is on the wall, Apple is leaving them behind.
Were the services turned on with the upgrade?
No, they already existed. Apple states that Services that are already configured will be brought over with the upgrade and mine certainly didn't. If you start with a clean install of 10.13 and install MacOS Server, none of those services exist to turn on.
Interesting. It is my understanding that if the service in setup and running at the time of the update they will still be there.
That's what I read as well. Reality, at least in my tests, was that it didn't happen.
I did contact Apple Support at one point, and was directed to the page that indicated alternate apps to either install and configure, or other services to use.
Prepare for changes to macOS Server - Apple Support
The only things I use on macOS Server are TM, DNS and Cacing Server.
TM and Caching are moving into 10.13 and wimdecorte has me in the path to start using RPi for DNS so I guess there is a plan.
I always had trouble with TimeCapsules burning out in two-three years, and it proved silly for homes and businesses to keep all their eggs in one basket like that. I've separated; for my own office, I have a Synology handling terabytes of TimeMachine, and my Regular old airport is still kicking. Four years, knock on wood.
I really miss the old interface though! Replacement will have to include VPN when the time comes.
I'll be having a memorial service for the AirPort if anyone wants to come.
Curious, what is RPi for DNS?
I think we just need to admit that Apple doesn’t manufacture suitable hardware for infrastructure use and has made no secret of this. They are primarily a (very successful) consumer focussed company with some things that can be used for both personal and business purposes.
As FileMaker Server becomes more and more capable in communicating across different platforms it deserves a decent network and server to run on.
I appreciate many don’t like the thought of having to learn Windows Server (or Linux for cloud), but think along the same lines as having to learn JSON or cURL - it may take you out of your comfort zone but these are now an integral part of using FileMaker.
I have a TC that has a failing drive in it now. It has been working hard for 4 years storing some specific data. The main TM backups are on a few TBs of storage running on another machine.
macOS is fine as a server. The hardware is not close to competing with Windows, but the OS is capable. For small offices with the right plan in place a mac for FMS works just fine.
Between the standards of business rising and legislations on digital things, a database on any platform, is a serious thing that should not be taken lightly. It can easily be complicated and costly.
Yeah. The HDDs go bad and the network bits weren’t the best.
Just to add on, we've used minis in business for over ten years and have only had one HD go bad. Every unit since has been 16 GB RAM, i7, and SSD, and they've been great as FMS servers or MacOS Servers (not both at the same time ever). We use RAID 5 Pegasus R4 units for FMS backups. We've had almost 100 users online at one time (FMP and IWP) and performance was still very usable. Performance has always been great with usage rarely crossing 40% (unless I'm updating something ). I would go so far to say that under a couple hundred users, a mini and FMS is a great business solution.
Personally, I've been running a mini for almost as long as a MacOS Server, media server, file sharing and TM, with a RAID 5 unit as storage. I can't imagine using something else because, quite frankly, it just works. Yes, there's been the occasional issue of updates or patches stepping on other toes, but that's why we keep a mini around to test (blow up). Having previously managed a testing lab of dozens of Windows computers and Windows VMs, I fail to see how minis aren't suitable for "infrastructure."
I look forward to the next mini and if the rumors are true that the A chip is moving into the Mac, then there will certainly be a learning curve involved for both us and FMI.
Yup, we’ve had Mac Mini’s that have given good service as well, the business continuity is to have 2 of them configured identically and using external storage.
The trouble is we’ve been waiting for an update. And waiting. And waiting..........
It is almost certain we won’t be putting any more Apple hardware in for servers in the future. The last release was October 2014 (I believe). Do we really want to be running our current software on 4 year old technology?
If Apple do get round to releasing the Mac Pro, we’ll be paying for completely unnecessary graphics power but lacking essentials such as redundant power supplies. Maybe we’ll get a new Mac Mini at some point, rumours keep persisting but, in particular, with Apple’s inability to release backward compatible operating software IMHO it now has to be Windows Server.
Andy Hibbs wrote: ... The trouble is we’ve been waiting for an update. And waiting. And waiting.......... It is almost certain we won’t be putting any more Apple hardware in for servers in the future. The last release was October 2014 (I believe). Do we really want to be running our current software on 4 year old technology? If Apple do get round to releasing the Mac Pro, we’ll be paying for completely unnecessary graphics power but lacking essentials such as redundant power supplies. Maybe we’ll get a new Mac Mini at some point, rumours keep persisting but, in particular, with Apple’s inability to release backward compatible operating software IMHO it now has to be Windows Server.
Andy Hibbs wrote:
I have clients who don't have time to wait on the Mac Pro and need solutions this year. My most recent one went with the new iMac Pro which is a real screamer... but gosh I hate buying a nice 5K monitor and sticking it in a closet when it is not needed. We almost went with a Windows server which probably would have made more sense for the money. But I do have to say the iMac Pro really serves up FM fast using the latest Xeon's, lots of RAM, fast SSD, and 10 Gbps ethernet. By the way, the 10 Gbps ethernet sure is noticeable since backups are pushed to another server over ethernet and that sure improved those times a lot!.
If the tech works, why not use it? I've got a car older than that and it still does exactly what I need to do. The next mini may very well end up with an A chip at this point, which could be really cool, but I won't be putting one into production day one. New technology is great, bleeding edge, not so much. Especially where client data could be at risk.
Taylor, how do you configure a network backup drive? Do you have an account always logged in?
Horses for courses
techt wrote: Taylor, how do you configure a network backup drive? Do you have an account always logged in?
I backup locally to an external drive. Then I use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy over the ethernet to the SAN server. As you know, backups run by FMS have to go to a serially connected hard drive and this is because of performance requirements. There are ways to get around it on a Mac such as iSCSI connector to a NAS. But the is getting around what FileMaker is trying to keep you from doing. So I just an external USB drive to do the backups to and have CCC copy it over the ethernet such as to the SAN in this case or maybe the cloud such as Amazon S3.
Thanks for the ideas. I haven't used CCC for years. Might give that a look.
I love my Airport Extreme!
I read an article on Macworld or similar that thought Apple was making the wrong decision at the wrong time removing these products. That article argued that instead Apple should come out with mesh routers, etc.
+1 for Raspberry Pi. I use it all the time. Excellent.
I use Carbon Copy Cloner for my personal MacBook Pro. I do a clone of the drive once a month. My goal is to be able to get back up and running if my MacBook dies, gets hacked by malware or ransomware, or gets stolen. The CCC clone goes to a external SSD. I figure I can go to the Apple store, buy a new MacBook, and clone my setup back in a hour or two. It's nice peace of mind to be sure I can still be productive in the worst case scenario.
Normal backups cover the files created or changed during the month (local NAS plus Backblaze plus Amazon B2). What the CCC clone gets me is protection in the scenario of malware/ransomware and provides a very quick rebuild time.
Yeah, it's backup overkill but when it comes to data, overkill is a great thing.
Apple effectively has mesh wifi access points now. Just buy a six pack of Airport Express units, plug in, and configure quickly with the Airport utility. Works perfectly.
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