5 Replies Latest reply on Mar 15, 2012 10:10 AM by Stephen Huston

    Times New Roman font style issues Windows XP


      Im experencing problems with appearace of the Times New Roman font when set to Bold Underlined when printed from Windows XP. The Underline is running into the bottom of the text leaving no gap between the text and the underline.


      According to my client this makes the appearance of the FileMaker generated letters appear poorly formatted when compaired to the same documents created in MS Word.


      Printing the same letter from OS X or generating a PDF of the document from OS X or results in the correct appearence. Creating a PDF from Windows XP improves the situation but the underline is still too close to the text.


      My client sends out many letters and its very important too them that these are formatted correctley. I was hoping FileMaker would be able to handle this nativley but Im starting to have my doubts. Before I go down the road of intergrating Word into my workflow I just woundered if anyone out there has experiecnced the same problems and has -more importantly- come up with a workable solution.





        • 1. Re: Times New Roman font style issues Windows XP
          Stephen Huston

          Have you specifically set the line spacing for this field or text object in the inspector? Try 1.1line height and see if that affects it. Experiment with line-heights in both Pixels and Line-count.


          If the users are specifying type sizes other than the size set at the layout level, this causes FileMaker challenges in rendering.


          Also be aware that combining font styles such as Bold WITH Underline creates conflicting instructions in some fonts metrics, and such formatting is a bit like send all of your email in ALL CAPS.


          It may be time to teach some style restraint if the results are to look professional.


          Know what I MEAN?

          • 2. Re: Times New Roman font style issues Windows XP

            Thanks for the feedback. I have tried various line spacing settings without success though I'll revisit based on your advice.


            I have had better results using other fonts though, specifically Cambria which I think is installed with Microsoft Office. Unfortunately the house style for my client is Times or Times New Roman so these alternatives cant be used.


            To try and eliminate specific issues with my development I created a new file in FileMaker with just a single text field to test this. The field format was set to Times New Roman 12 point plain. Applying the bold underline formatting to the text entered produced the same result. Not only with Times New Roman but also with Arial.


            I suspect the effects Im seeing is a result of FileMaker compensating for the differences between Windows and OS X line heights so as to give a better cross platform experience.


            Another thing I have noticed on OS X is the availability of all the font styles as individual fonts enabling the selection of Times New Roman Bold or Times New Roman Italic etc. Where as on Windows you can only select Times New Roman and have to use the styling to create bold or italic etc. Im wondering if this creates a pseudo bold which doesn't handle underlines and leading as well as a true bold outline.

            • 3. Re: Times New Roman font style issues Windows XP
              Stephen Huston

              Yes, one issue is that styled text is not rendered as precisely as plain Font-based text. Unfortunately, if the system need to be cross-platform compatible, you need to specify the generic font and then apply the FM style, even if developing on Mac.


              Specifying a Mac font choice and expecting FM to render it via FM styles on Windows is just asking for problems. I see all the great Mac style-specific font options when developing, but have to pick Verdana and apply the FM Bold instead of picking Verdana-Bold font to minimize Windows issues.


              And, of course, Bold style and Underline style actually change the line-height needed for rendering the text, but FM seems to still have some issues with that when calculating page breaks.

              • 4. Re: Times New Roman font style issues Windows XP

                For what it's worth:

                Windows 7 has issues, too.

                I posted a thread recently pointing out that Times / Times New Roman in bold will not print if the text is in a field but will print if placed directly on the layout.

                • 5. Re: Times New Roman font style issues Windows XP
                  Stephen Huston

                  I was not aware of that specific problem, but do recall issues in the past where a specific system font did not correspond correctly to the metrics for the font of the same name in a postscript printer's internal memory with weird results.