In layout design with FM12 when I select more elements which are not contiguos I get very confused trying to understand who is selected and who's not
There is a little coloured border around the selected objects, allowing to understand which have been selected.
thanks, you're right, even if I feel it should be more evident.
Also if you hold down the command key (on Mac) when selecting objects, you can do selection the 'old' way.
Actually, the "current" FM12 method is the "really old" way.
What I find incredibly annoying is that the size shown in the Inspector is no longer the total size of all selected objects. Not sure how to get around this change, except to pull up a calculator and do math.
This is a really big issue for me as well. I am used to being able to select multiple objects and see the top and left position in the inspector (which I use for placement after copy/paste)... Not in FM12... The Guides are of no help in this area... As in many complex layouts they would just be a mess. In addition the dynamic guides that show when moving objects are totally useless whe moving multiple objects and almost as useless when moving single objects... As they seem to have a mind of their own, in when & where they show alignment.
I really hope FM puts this back in place with a revision update.
One way to workaround this is to (temporarily) group the selected objects - then the inspector shows the position and size of the group
Agreed. Accustomed to grabbing multiple items and tying in the position of the top left corner. This new way is EXTREMELY tedious and time consuming.
And also finding it difficult to select layered items. For example a portal element with a header, embedded in a rectangle. Depending on how it's layered I find myself having to relocate parts in order to select a single item. In the past one could draw a selection rectangle around a smaller element, and only items fully within the rectangle would be selected. Now, everything adjacent is selected too.
How is this an improvement?
David may not be in Command,
To get the 'old' behavior use Command-Left click to select only items within the Cursor area. The cursor area will be slightly grey instead of clear.
This is helpful! It still doesn't help getting to individual items in a group (say a portal field when the portal is sitting inside of a rectangle), but it helps! Thanks!
I want to add my voice to the request to give back the position information for items in a multiple selection - when the items do not all have the same top, bottom, left or right edges.
What used to take 5 steps in FM 11, takes triple the number in FM 12.
In FileMaker 11 this took 5 steps:
In FileMaker 11, more than TRIPLE the steps.
I was amazed to find the same behavior of the Position dialog in Inspector with multiple selections. If I happen to type a number in the Position box when there is a dash, all objects jump to that position.
This would seem to be a bug as Help indicates the position should be for that edge of the selection.
The workaround appears to be to Group the objects first. Then the Position works just fine.
Agreed. Seems like this would rarely be the preferred goal, and it can be achieved using the Align commands. Also think that we should see positions of the selections in the inspector, not dashes.
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Hi Neal and Dave,
I have it on good authority that this is not a bug, but a new feature ...
It enables you to move multiple items to a particular horizontal or vertical position, based on entries made in the inspector. It's not quite the same as 'Align', since you don't need an object in the correct place to start with.
It is another change from the way FileMaker used to work, which, I'm afraid, we've just got to get used to.
So they have taken away a feature that we found quite useful and replaced it with one that we haven't found a requirement for yet.
Maybe in time we'll find this new feature as useful as the previous one?
Does anyone think that FileMaker will change this if we complain enough?
I am not optimistic that this feature is negotiable.
Best wishes - Alan Stirling, London UK.
That's a shame -- I can't think of a single time in 15+ years that I've needed to move a selected group of items to a single point, but dozens of times daily when I need to move a group of items together and keep them spaced relationally the same. Now I apparently need to temporarily put things in Groups first.
If it's a feature then it's stupid and poorly conceived; unfortunately characteristic of much of the new in layout tools.
Seconded Dave, really bugs me.
Should this be a change to the function of the Position fields in Inspector, for me it becomes useless. According to Help, the Position fields indicate the numeric position of the edges of the selection. It doesn't say anything about a multiple object selection.
Regardless of what Help says, as Dave mentions, I move groups of objects many times a day when building layouts, and need to be able to position that set of objects accurately. Using Position was a foolproof method of doing this.
And it doesn't seem like there are any other accurate methods for accomplishing this task in FileMaker 12.
Disappointing, and making my layout work go so much more slowly.
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