Thanks for sharing this information. I have been playing around with themes in 12 on some converted solutions and they pretty much destroy my UI so needless to say if I ever do go to 12 I won't be using themes anytime soon! I really don't get what they were trying to accomplish with themes as implemented...
Exactly! I have refined the ”look and feel” of my UI for 20 years, with feedback from quite a few users, and none of the themes is usable for existing users.
I have no interest in learning the arcane intricacies of CSS, in order to have a theme that meets my requirements, so I may have to abandon the FMP-side of my consultancy business altogether.
Yes, yes, one can still use the old methods, but it seems they've also ditched the old colours. I use a specific, limited set of colours and now the only way to get exactly the colour one wants is to use Crayons!
Yes I am surprised that this subject has not gotten more discussion here. Themes are basically worthless for existing solutions since in most cases and certainly in mine they completely destroy the current UI and as Stephen thankfully pointed out if you apply the "Classic" theme it will not restore your original UI. I tried it and my screen looked all washed out and was unuseable afterwards.
Had the new theme process been able to convert your UI into a theme that you could save and then apply to new layouts that would have been a very nice and useful but as they exist now I can't use themes even if I wanted to. It's hard to believe that one of their top selling points in this release would be so damaging to existing solutions while leaving no recourse to solve the problem and really adding no true benefit to your solution.
Like you I have spent many years refining my UI and all my customers really like it and so do I, even if themes worked perfectly none of them want me to change it anyway so I can't really see the benefit of themes at this point from any perspective frankly.
This release seems far more geared towards new users who have never used FileMaker and aren't professional programmers and for them I suppose themes will be ok but for the rest of us long time users and developers I am having a hard time seeing the "benefits" of moving to 12.
I suspect that themes will be popular for new projects, particularly GO implementations, with the addition of screen templates for iPad and iPhone.
However, those of us who need to migrate huge existing installations into FM12 are going to find themes of little value in ongoing systems unless we tackle CSS recoding to build our own theme, or just want to apply something quickly to a new report that need not match our UI.
I am looking forward to having the time to tackle a CSS redo, but the nature of full-time in-house work makes the time it will take problematic.
On a similar topic of migrating to fmp12 and then making the step from Classic to non-classic theme please see - and maybe contribute to - the discussion Re: When is an FM11 layout *really* converted to a 'real' fmp12 layout?
now the only way to get exactly the colour one wants is to use Crayons!
How wonderfully ironic advances of technology are.
I don't know about anyone else, but I get a standard palette (12x10). When I click down on "Other Color..." the Colors palette that comes up shows 'Crayons', yes, but I can choose several other options. Is it an OS limitation for you?
Not meaining to highjack the thread or discount the concerns expressed herein, but anyone remember the "Society to Save Lemon Yellow" or its sister organization, the "Raw Umber and Maize Preservation Society"?
Back on topic, one thing you can do in the Mac OS color picker that may help a bit is to create and save your own palettes (e.g., by project). The color picker should default to the last palette viewed whenever you open it. A fly in the ointment is that those are specific to a machine, so working between multiple machines means maintaining parallel color palettes on each. (I'd guess that Windows has similar functionality, but can't say definitively.)
...one thing you can do in the Mac OS color picker that may help a bit is to create and save your own palettes
(I'd guess that Windows has similar functionality, but can't say definitively.)
lol ! You are not a windows user, are you Mark?
Thanks for the pointer. I have joined in on that newer thread.