Why is it that FM Go 12 is free but Go 11 is $39.99?
FMI since changed their pricing policy with 12 but kept 11 as it was. i don't think the old version of Go can connect to solutiosn hosted in 12. It's just an odd circustance that an older version is charged but that's how they did it most likely as an inducement to get people to upgrade to 12 since the tools for ipad development are much better in 12 then they are in 11.
As Lemmtech indicated... but Not just an inducement to move people to 12, it also puts pressure on us as developers with solutions out in the world to upgrade them to 12 so our users can use the free version for iOS.
iOS users will put pressure on developers to move to 12 ASAP. And developers need to buy Pro or Advanced for development, so it all aims at improving sales of FM 12 products.
Fortunately very few of my clients are using iOS or ipads with FileMaker so the pressure on me is minimal but the same can't be said for others of course. I can sit on 11 for a while without any real outcry from my customers but I can see why people would be upset about this pricing policy.
Why should anyone be upset? They charged before, now they do not. You haven't received any worse deal with 11 then you had before. Tough to criticize a company for giving you a better deal.
The problem lies with clients who are heavily invested in Go but for a variety of reasons are staying on 11 for at least another year or 2. Some of our largest clients can't migrate so fast for a host of reasons and considerations and it leaves a bad taste in their mouth having to pay 40 bucks for an app that is now free.
I completely understand why FileMaker has done this and I support it but our clients are not as understanding.
Yes that is the crux of the issue as they say. If you are able to upgrade to 12 then great Go being free is a bonus but if you can't then having to keep paying for an old version of software that is now free may not sit well with some people and I can understand that.
Well, maybe FM12 is free because it's so slow. Once they get it working at a good clip, perhaps they will charge again for FMGo and keep everyone happy.
Seriosly folks, the situation with FM12 is difficult, and one can argue they shipped it too soon. But have a little faith that FMI will sort this out as quickly as they can. Despite all the hoorahs about the interface, I don't believe they can afford to not deal with these issues as fast as technically possible. Keep your ears to the ground.
I have in no mean meant to insult. Especially FM. It does make a lot of sense in regards to upgrading but I think I will pay the 40 and hang around on 11 for a while longer. Least till the exterminator comes.
Well, maybe you could have two FileMaker Servers, one v11 and one v12. The could share data as External Data Sources. Granted you would have to be making new layouts. But maybe you could run everything in 11, but on the v12 database, create iOS layouts to support the iPad/iPhone. That way you could have a 11 database when you want it and the same data in 12 when you wanted it that way. You would save you the cost of $39 for each iPad that you wanted it, but then it would cost you $999 for the extra server.
Does anyone know if FileMaker 12 can use FileMaker 11 as an External Data Source?
I guess this got the topic changed a little, but it made me wonder in light of some people complaining about v12's performance. Personaly, 12 seems to work just fine for my databases.
You cannot usea v11 file as an external database in v12. It will allow you to add it to the external data sources but once you attempt to add it to your relationship graph, you get a message saying the file needs to be converted.
Rats... oh well... guess it was wishful thinking as a workaround. Thanks for verifying it, Matt.
I guess this is all the more reason just to move to 12 in my opinion.
I think FMI has given us all a wonderful opportunity by making Go 12 free.
Up until now, if we've had a GO solution to selll we have had to say "and by the way you will ALSO need to buy FM Go from iTunes". Now we can say "and by the way, you'll need FM Go which is a FREE download from iTunes".
I know which one I'd rather be saying...
If you have a Go "only" it's great as the customer will only have to pay for your solution and not Go. If your GO solution is tethered to your main solution via server it can be a different situation of course although I can't beleive $40 for GO was a deal breaker for anyone. Given Apple's strategy of trying to dominate the world with iPads it makes sense that Go is now free it's all about selling as many iPads as possible and really has nothing to do with GO or FileMaker in particular.
I would imagine that there are a few logistics issues with the App Store to move a paid app to a free app. Timing and waiting for approval from Apple, etc. Seems like because FMI is an Apple company that it would be easy...but I've learned better. lol
Plus I'm really expecting a v.2 relase soon from FMI. I know, from conversations, that performance was a huge focus. They have been gathering loads of sample files to pinpoint and correct much of the problem.
Don't forget that when you say 40 bucks for one copy it doesn't sound like much but when you have clients that have 100 copies needed - it adds up!
cssigi wrote: it leaves a bad taste in their mouth having to pay 40 bucks for an app that is now free.
it leaves a bad taste in their mouth having to pay 40 bucks for an app that is now free.
Don't forget that one purchase of an iOS app can be instaalled on 5 different devices, so it's as low as $8 per device.
That's what we thought too Vaughn until our client's legal counsel pointed out to us the part of the licensing below and they were not willing to risk it. I was actually surprised to find this out but then I guess it made sense when you think about it.
(ii) If you are a commercial enterprise or educational institution, you may download and sync an App Store Product for use by either (a) a single individual on one or more iOS Devices used by that individual that you own or control or (b) multiple individuals, on a single shared iOS Device you own or control. For example, a single employee may use an App Store Product on both the employee's iPhone and iPad, or multiple students may serially use an App Store Product on a single iPad located at a resource center or library. For the sake of clarity, each iOS Device used serially by multiple users requires a separate license.
Go pricing is really not my concern here at all, but rather that I have a far few clients who are considering upgrading from version 9/10/11 to 12 and that requires at least a half a day of my time, plus the purchase price of 5 to 10 users, plus server and for what benefit? A few new 'features' and a 'promise' of additional performance? (the dury is still out on this one)
My clients get even more cranky when they know that in about 1 year, they will not be able to add additional version 11 clients to the nextwork, so they are feeling the pinch.
Mention to any of these clients that the iOS version is free and they grunt a little bit and often snicker.
Honestly, I think filemaker 12 is a good move, but a BAD ugrade. It does a lot more for new developments, not much for existing ones.
At the latest FileMaker tech meeting in Sydney, a FileMaker rep said thier focus is on small workgroups... I disagree, I think their focus is one iOS and new markets.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
This exact same stuff was said when FMP 7 came out with its different file format. Would you go back to FMP 6 now? Do you dream of the good old days when all the users had to log off so you could define fields? Would you recommond customers with FMP 6 stay on that version?
I think the upgrade from 6 to 7 was a much easier sell, the benefits where obvious. Besides, there is very little in the way of hardware/OS that will still support version 6, so that's a pretty major reason for a lot of upgrades.
Yes, I stand to benefit from new versions of software, hardware and OS's, because, ultimately that keeps me employed. I'm just saying that this particular upgrade is not an easy sell, as there is no real immediate benefit to the clients I deal with currently, if anything, it is a disruption. It's more of a MUST do than a WANT to.
I wait to see what happens with 12.1, should be some pretty nice improvements, I'd predict that a lot of what developers have been asking for for many years will come to fruition, just wish some of these where in 12 right now, I think it would be more attractive to users.
again, this is just my personal opinion, I am not trying to put the product down, just trying to make a living in a way that makes me feel good about what I do and why I do it.
Peter it's nice to see I am not the only one who feels this way about 12 athough it was starting to feel that way
The benefits of going from 6 to 7 were obvious and immediate I don't think the same can't be said going from 11 to 12. As you rightly point out after the upgrade (and the time and expense to get there) what do you get? I'm still trying to figure that out so I can explain it to my clients but at this point I think I'll have to wait until v13 to find the answer. Like you I am not trying to put the product down just trying to be honest with myself and most of all my clients when it comes to answering the basic "Why should I upgrade?" question.
I also agree that FM seems like it's heading much more in the iOS direction at this point I guess only time will tell if it veers back more towards the desktop in future releases.
In my opinion (and of course I'm never wrong! ) ... Along with the rest of the world, I predict FileMaker will only veer more toward mobile platform as opposed to the desktop. This time reminds me of when PC's took over and then a few years - laptops - I think we're headed to the tablet/mobile platform as "the" platform sooner than later.
We already have clients at this point looking at replacing all laptops with iPads as the replacement cycles come due. We have one client in particular that just replaced their entire board of directors with iPads over laptops and asking us to "mobile-ize" their current FM interfaces used on the laptops/desktops for iPad.
I was kind of cynical thinking about all this - being in my 40's and all - wondering if I can endure the next great movement in IT - but it's kind of exciting and interesting and has reignited my passion again for tech.
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